Comments on: The Gory Antigora: Illusions of Capitalism and Computers http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/09/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora/ Big Ideas for a Better World Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:37:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: POLIS - Internet Liberation: Alive or Dead? http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/09/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora/#comment-1468 POLIS - Internet Liberation: Alive or Dead? Fri, 09 Jun 2006 07:30:04 +0000 http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/08/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora-illusions-of-capitalism-and-computers/#comment-1468 [...] Internet Liberation: Alive or Dead? [ Rock-Politik ! ] "The most technically realistic appraisal of the Internet is also the most humanistic one. The Web is neither an emergent intelligence that transcends humanity, as some (like George Dyson) have claimed, nor a lifeless industrial machine. It is a conduit of expression between people." Schreibt Jaron Lanier in der Januar-Ausgabe von Cato-Unbound Das ganze Dossier: Internet Liberation: Alive or Dead? [...] [...] Internet Liberation: Alive or Dead? [ Rock-Politik ! ] “The most technically realistic appraisal of the Internet is also the most humanistic one. The Web is neither an emergent intelligence that transcends humanity, as some (like George Dyson) have claimed, nor a lifeless industrial machine. It is a conduit of expression between people.” Schreibt Jaron Lanier in der Januar-Ausgabe von Cato-Unbound Das ganze Dossier: Internet Liberation: Alive or Dead? [...]

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]]> By: Digital Crusader http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/09/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora/#comment-891 Digital Crusader Sun, 21 May 2006 04:07:16 +0000 http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/08/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora-illusions-of-capitalism-and-computers/#comment-891 <strong>Jaron Lanier: Antigora's</strong> Cato Unbound: The Gory Antigora: Illusions of Capitalism and Computers via Slashdot: Jaron Lanier on the Semi-Closed Internet. Lanier's point is essentially that the brittleness of digital systems causes customer lock-in, and that this lock-in in turn... Jaron Lanier: Antigora’s

Cato Unbound: The Gory Antigora: Illusions of Capitalism and Computers via Slashdot: Jaron Lanier on the Semi-Closed Internet. Lanier’s point is essentially that the brittleness of digital systems causes customer lock-in, and that this lock-in in turn…

]]> By: Daniel Miller http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/09/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora/#comment-177 Daniel Miller Thu, 09 Feb 2006 20:47:44 +0000 http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/08/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora-illusions-of-capitalism-and-computers/#comment-177 <strong>The Gory Antigora</strong> The Gory Antigora

]]> By: Dynamist Blog http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/09/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora/#comment-163 Dynamist Blog Mon, 06 Feb 2006 06:57:54 +0000 http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/08/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora-illusions-of-capitalism-and-computers/#comment-163 <strong>Is "Old Europe" Doomed?</strong> In the new issue of Cato Unbound, Theodore Dalrymple considers the question, with some insights into how stasis feeds more stasis. Replies will follow from Charles Kupchan, Timothy B. Smith, and Anne Applebaum. What exactly is it that Europeans fear,... Is “Old Europe” Doomed?

In the new issue of Cato Unbound, Theodore Dalrymple considers the question, with some insights into how stasis feeds more stasis. Replies will follow from Charles Kupchan, Timothy B. Smith, and Anne Applebaum. What exactly is it that Europeans fear,…

]]> By: P2P Foundation » Blog Archive » Continuing the dialogue with David Bollier: P2P, the Commons, the Market http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/09/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora/#comment-155 P2P Foundation » Blog Archive » Continuing the dialogue with David Bollier: P2P, the Commons, the Market Sat, 28 Jan 2006 05:07:41 +0000 http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/08/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora-illusions-of-capitalism-and-computers/#comment-155 [...] This is a very difficult question to answer. Netarchical capitalists, who enable and exploit the participatory platforms, are in this double position: they are beholden to the community, and they are beholden to their shareholders. So they are forced to follow a balancing act. Their temptations to short term greed, have to be balanced against the possibility that if they go all the way, their community may well abandon them. I’m not denying their strength, their proto-monopolistic strivings, as has been argued by Jaron Lanier’s Antigoras essay, but in a heavily distributed environment, the community is not powerless to change, so in the end I think both sides take pragmatic views on this. [...] [...] This is a very difficult question to answer. Netarchical capitalists, who enable and exploit the participatory platforms, are in this double position: they are beholden to the community, and they are beholden to their shareholders. So they are forced to follow a balancing act. Their temptations to short term greed, have to be balanced against the possibility that if they go all the way, their community may well abandon them. I’m not denying their strength, their proto-monopolistic strivings, as has been argued by Jaron Lanier’s Antigoras essay, but in a heavily distributed environment, the community is not powerless to change, so in the end I think both sides take pragmatic views on this. [...]

]]> By: Cato Unbound » Blog Archive » Wrapping Up: Internet Liberation http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/09/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora/#comment-153 Cato Unbound » Blog Archive » Wrapping Up: Internet Liberation Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:04:35 +0000 http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/08/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora-illusions-of-capitalism-and-computers/#comment-153 [...] As Jaron Lanier argued in his lead essay, the Internet is not so much a set of enabling technologies as a medium for the expression of human sociality. The important thing about the Net is not so much that it keeps making new, amazing goods and services available ("I can do my banking from home!" "I can email grandma in Boca!"), but rather that it is thereby slowly reshaping the terms of our association on a thousand margins. The way the Internet works (or doesn’t) matters, because the way we live together matters. [...] [...] As Jaron Lanier argued in his lead essay, the Internet is not so much a set of enabling technologies as a medium for the expression of human sociality. The important thing about the Net is not so much that it keeps making new, amazing goods and services available (”I can do my banking from home!” “I can email grandma in Boca!”), but rather that it is thereby slowly reshaping the terms of our association on a thousand margins. The way the Internet works (or doesn’t) matters, because the way we live together matters. [...]

]]> By: The Original Blog http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/09/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora/#comment-143 The Original Blog Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:43:47 +0000 http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/08/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora-illusions-of-capitalism-and-computers/#comment-143 <strong>Breathtaking stupidity</strong> There’s way too much stupidity in the world to comment on all of it, but sometimes you see something that sets a new standard. The Cato Institute has commissioned Jaron Lanier to explain the Internet, and his contribution makes all the silly dri... Breathtaking stupidity

There’s way too much stupidity in the world to comment on all of it, but sometimes you see something that sets a new standard. The Cato Institute has commissioned Jaron Lanier to explain the Internet, and his contribution makes all the silly dri…

]]> By: ObviousTroll from Hulver's site http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/09/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora/#comment-142 ObviousTroll from Hulver's site Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:48:36 +0000 http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/08/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora-illusions-of-capitalism-and-computers/#comment-142 <strong>Ow. My... Brain... Hurts...</strong> I've honestly never heard of this guy before, although he's apparently one of the pioneers of personal computing. I can't even tell you what I think of his ideas, yet. But it's nice to have something with enough layers and depth to it to make me t... Ow. My… Brain… Hurts…

I’ve honestly never heard of this guy before, although he’s apparently one of the pioneers of personal computing.
I can’t even tell you what I think of his ideas, yet. But it’s nice to have something with enough layers and depth to it to make me t…

]]> By: Cato Unbound » Blog Archive » Best of the Blogs: Internet Liberation Roundup http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/09/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora/#comment-141 Cato Unbound » Blog Archive » Best of the Blogs: Internet Liberation Roundup Fri, 20 Jan 2006 03:35:12 +0000 http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/08/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora-illusions-of-capitalism-and-computers/#comment-141 [...] As can be expected from any Internet meditation on the Internet, Jaron Lanier's lead essay, and the following commentary, has sparked a great deal of online discussion. Here's some of the best of the blogs. [...] [...] As can be expected from any Internet meditation on the Internet, Jaron Lanier’s lead essay, and the following commentary, has sparked a great deal of online discussion. Here’s some of the best of the blogs. [...]

]]> By: Neo Blogg » Blog Archive » John Perry Barlow - tio år senare http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/09/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora/#comment-140 Neo Blogg » Blog Archive » John Perry Barlow - tio år senare Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:01:45 +0000 http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/08/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora-illusions-of-capitalism-and-computers/#comment-140 [...] Barlows text är ett svar på en intressant essä av Jaron Lanier om Internets framtid och liberaliserande inverkan på världen i stort. Lanier är avvaktande, men i grunden även han optimistisk. Barlow, däremot, är ohejadat munter - något vi lärt oss är oerhört provocerande här på magasinet: All in all, I think the revolution is proceeding rather well and, in fact, is about to enter another period as fruitful and messy as the five years that followed the introduction of Mosaic. I still believe that we are engaged in a great work that will truly liberate much of humankind. Call me an optimist, but I can live with that. [...] [...] Barlows text är ett svar på en intressant essä av Jaron Lanier om Internets framtid och liberaliserande inverkan på världen i stort. Lanier är avvaktande, men i grunden även han optimistisk. Barlow, däremot, är ohejadat munter - något vi lärt oss är oerhört provocerande här på magasinet: All in all, I think the revolution is proceeding rather well and, in fact, is about to enter another period as fruitful and messy as the five years that followed the introduction of Mosaic. I still believe that we are engaged in a great work that will truly liberate much of humankind. Call me an optimist, but I can live with that. [...]

]]> By: Snarkmarket http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/09/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora/#comment-139 Snarkmarket Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:21:53 +0000 http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/08/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora-illusions-of-capitalism-and-computers/#comment-139 <strong>Food, Not Files</strong> This is totally random -- David Gelernter's response to an essay by Jaron Lanier over on the Cato Institute's "e-zine" -- but I just really liked this line: No brand-new cyberbillionaire ever used his billions to buy information, any more... Food, Not Files

This is totally random — David Gelernter’s response to an essay by Jaron Lanier over on the Cato Institute’s “e-zine” — but I just really liked this line: No brand-new cyberbillionaire ever used his billions to buy information, any more…

]]> By: The Liberty Papers»Blog Archive » The Reactions http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/09/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora/#comment-135 The Liberty Papers»Blog Archive » The Reactions Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:00:17 +0000 http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/08/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora-illusions-of-capitalism-and-computers/#comment-135 [...] Jaron Lanier posted the first essay, The Gory Antigora: Illusions of Capitalism and Computers, which has been followed by two more. Eric Raymond has written his Reply to Lanier, which makes some excellent points about Gift Cultures, capitalism, open and closed systems and freedom in general. The most significant point he makes, in my opinion, is in his conclusion. As I pointed out years ago in Homesteading the Noosphere (which I highly recommend reading!), gift cultures rely on a hefty wealth surplus to keep them afloat. While there are many ways to concentrate such a surplus (patronage by one tyrant or a group of aristocrats can do it) capitalism is the only way to do it that scales up well. Capitalism is every gift culture’s best hope for sustainability. [...] [...] Jaron Lanier posted the first essay, The Gory Antigora: Illusions of Capitalism and Computers, which has been followed by two more. Eric Raymond has written his Reply to Lanier, which makes some excellent points about Gift Cultures, capitalism, open and closed systems and freedom in general. The most significant point he makes, in my opinion, is in his conclusion. As I pointed out years ago in Homesteading the Noosphere (which I highly recommend reading!), gift cultures rely on a hefty wealth surplus to keep them afloat. While there are many ways to concentrate such a surplus (patronage by one tyrant or a group of aristocrats can do it) capitalism is the only way to do it that scales up well. Capitalism is every gift culture’s best hope for sustainability. [...]

]]> By: Knowledge Problem http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/09/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora/#comment-131 Knowledge Problem Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:30:25 +0000 http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/08/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora-illusions-of-capitalism-and-computers/#comment-131 <strong>Jaron Lanier's "The Gory Antigora"</strong> Lynne Kiesling I can already tell that I am going to enjoy the Cato Unbound series on the Internet and technology. Jaron Lanier's initial essay is full of provocative claims and ideas; I've been mulling over some of them all... Jaron Lanier’s “The Gory Antigora”

Lynne Kiesling I can already tell that I am going to enjoy the Cato Unbound series on the Internet and technology. Jaron Lanier’s initial essay is full of provocative claims and ideas; I’ve been mulling over some of them all…

]]> By: Dean's World http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/09/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora/#comment-128 Dean's World Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:04:49 +0000 http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/08/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora-illusions-of-capitalism-and-computers/#comment-128 <strong>Agoras, Antigoras, and the Future</strong> I very rarely write about technology. It's probably something of a reaction to the fact that I've been working with it for most of my life, starting with playing with a TRS-80 model I back in the late 1970s when I was 12 or 13 ye... Agoras, Antigoras, and the Future

I very rarely write about technology. It’s probably something of a reaction to the fact that I’ve been working with it for most of my life, starting with playing with a TRS-80 model I back in the late 1970s when I was 12 or 13 ye…

]]> By: Ming the Mechanic http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/09/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora/#comment-123 Ming the Mechanic Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:59:00 +0000 http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/08/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora-illusions-of-capitalism-and-computers/#comment-123 <strong>Agora and Antigora</strong> Jaron Lanier: The Gory Antigora. A brilliant essay about the net. Like how we both find examples of the Agora, the ideal democratic collaborative sharing space, and what he calls the Antigora, where somebody mangages to set up huge, efficient profit-ma... Agora and Antigora

Jaron Lanier: The Gory Antigora. A brilliant essay about the net. Like how we both find examples of the Agora, the ideal democratic collaborative sharing space, and what he calls the Antigora, where somebody mangages to set up huge, efficient profit-ma…

]]> By: meta-roj blog http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/09/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora/#comment-122 meta-roj blog Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:00:53 +0000 http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/08/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora-illusions-of-capitalism-and-computers/#comment-122 <strong>points for brobdingnagian from jaron</strong> i just have to nod to jaron for the use of brobdingnagian in an essay.... points for brobdingnagian from jaron

i just have to nod to jaron for the use of brobdingnagian in an essay….

]]> By: P2P Foundation » Blog Archive » The hypothesis of Netarchical Capitalism http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/09/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora/#comment-120 P2P Foundation » Blog Archive » The hypothesis of Netarchical Capitalism Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:07:01 +0000 http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/08/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora-illusions-of-capitalism-and-computers/#comment-120 [...] This entry refers to the debate mentioned in previous post, on the emergence of Antigoras. Since the related hypothesis of netarchical capitalism is not yet published online, I’m republishing it here from my offline manuscript: [...] [...] This entry refers to the debate mentioned in previous post, on the emergence of Antigoras. Since the related hypothesis of netarchical capitalism is not yet published online, I’m republishing it here from my offline manuscript: [...]

]]> By: A. B. Logg 2.0 » “Software sucks: It breaks before it bends” http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/09/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora/#comment-118 A. B. Logg 2.0 » “Software sucks: It breaks before it bends” Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:02:34 +0000 http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/08/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora-illusions-of-capitalism-and-computers/#comment-118 [...] The Gory Antigora: Illusions of Capitalism and Computers . Recommended reading. Actually, I implore you to read it. It is quite long, and —as with anything having to do with software, language, method and ideas— abstract as fuck, but Jaron Lanier (the article's author) makes a point of keeping it fairly simple to understand. Or, at least, as simple as any philosophical essay can reasonably get. [...] [...] The Gory Antigora: Illusions of Capitalism and Computers . Recommended reading. Actually, I implore you to read it. It is quite long, and —as with anything having to do with software, language, method and ideas— abstract as fuck, but Jaron Lanier (the article’s author) makes a point of keeping it fairly simple to understand. Or, at least, as simple as any philosophical essay can reasonably get. [...]

]]> By: Interface2037 » Blog Archive » A rare find of “software and society” thinking http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/09/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora/#comment-117 Interface2037 » Blog Archive » A rare find of “software and society” thinking Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:22:52 +0000 http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/08/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora-illusions-of-capitalism-and-computers/#comment-117 [...] By Scott Auge I have got to make a link to this: The Gory Antigora: Illusions of Capitalism and Computers [...] [...] By Scott Auge I have got to make a link to this: The Gory Antigora: Illusions of Capitalism and Computers [...]

]]> By: P2P Foundation » Blog Archive » P2P, Netarchical capitalism, Protocollary Power and Jaron Lanier’s Antigoras http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/09/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora/#comment-116 P2P Foundation » Blog Archive » P2P, Netarchical capitalism, Protocollary Power and Jaron Lanier’s Antigoras Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:02:57 +0000 http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/01/08/jaron-lanier/the-gory-antigora-illusions-of-capitalism-and-computers/#comment-116 [...] I’m citing extensively from his article, which is recommended reading: [...] [...] I’m citing extensively from his article, which is recommended reading: [...]

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